Biblical Framework
Charles Clough
Lesson 123
You
often see this fish with icthus, then
the evolutionist come along and they put Darwin in the middle of it with
feet. Someone made this; we have a
bigger fish eating the little one. I
thought that was a graphic illustration of strategic envelopment that we’ve
been looking at in the way the Christian is to prevail and overcome error; that
you swallow the other position up inside your framework. Failure to understand this explains why
often times you feel so frustrated in dealing with the cult and others is
because really what we’ve done is we’ve permitted the other side to absorb us
into their frame of reference and it’s quite the other way around. We want to remember this as we go through a
lot of the great truths in Scripture.
We’ve
been looking at the birth of the King and the life of the King, and out of the
birth of the King we associate His birth with the incarnation, the doctrine of
the hypostatic union, that Jesus Christ is God and man, undiminished deity and
true humanity. That doctrine is the
foundation of all Christology. As we’ll
see, it also is a necessity when we start talking about kenosis and other
things in the life of Christ. The thing to remember about the doctrine of the
hypostatic union is that once again we see that God, who has these divine
attributes, He is sovereign, He is love, He is holy, He is omniscient, and we
said He’s also omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, eternal, and we could go on
and on mentioning His attributes. Man
is the only creature made in His image.
Of all the parts of the universe, man, not a Martian, not somebody from
outer space, but a man from planet earth is the only point in the universe
that’s analogous to God.
So
man has analogous attributes; to sovereignty we have choice. We can experience love, but it’s finite love
and therefore unstable; holy, we have conscience, the faculty that God has put
into the soul to reflect His holiness. We have finite knowledge. These
correspond to His attributes. Now we
have the hypostatic union and what does this tell us? If we know first the
Creator/creature distinction, then we can understand what the hypostatic union
is doing. This is why the Bible is
written in the sequence in which it is.
The Bible does not start out by talking about Jesus Christ. It starts by talking about creation, because
it’s at that point where the Creator/creature distinction is made. Failure to
understand that prevents, I said prevents
us from understanding who Jesus Christ is.
You’ve got to have these basic tools, these basic concepts. This is why the Holy Spirit, being a perfect
teacher, administered history pedagogically.
History is actually a sequence of lessons from God to man; this is a
whole other study in dispensations about how God teaches that way.
Nevertheless
there’s this sequencing that goes on.
The Lord Jesus Christ, because He has true humanity, and He is God, He
has all these attributes; the question is how do these attributes
interplay. The hypostatic union tells
us that however they interplay, all those attributes are undiminished, they’re
not changed, they’re not modified, they’re not reduced, they remained as potent
in the Son while He was walking around on this planet as they did in eternity,
as they will in eternity future—never changed, never compromised, never reduced
and never altered in any way! Because
He is walking around as a man, now something has changed because God the Son,
the Second Person of the Trinity, has gone through a metamorphosis that the
First Person of the Trinity and the Third Person of the Trinity didn’t ever do
and never will do. He is put in union
with humanity, and this makes the Second Person of the Trinity very, very
significant.
It
also has all kinds of implications, and on page 43 I listed some of the
implications of that doctrine. These
aren’t just theory, big philosophical things; they are those. This is why Paul in Col. 2:8 says be not
deceived and don’t be led astray by the philosophy of this world, according to
the elements of this world, but following according to Christ, meaning that
this is where people ought to start with their philosophy. They ought to understand, before they even
start philosophizing, the whole issue of the hypostatic union. They should understand the issue of the
creation, they should understand how these interplay, and after that we start
talking about philosophy. But everybody wants to start talking about philosophy
before they ever cover this, and then try to fit this inside their philosophy,
it’s backwards.
On
page 44 we had one of the implications, that the Creator/creature distinctions
always exists, never changes, never is mixed, it’s never blurred, even in the
person of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ
humanity and His deity do not intermingle.
How they don’t and yet He’s one person, we don’t understand because God
is incomprehensible. But we must defend
the fact that Jesus did not become half God and half man at this point. He was fully God and fully man, not half and
half. If that’s true of Him, then it’s
true of us and we will never ever, in heaven or eternity, ever know as God
knows in the sense of becoming omniscient; the passage in 1 Cor. 13 is about
something else.
The
second implication is that God cannot reveal Himself any more than He does
through men. There is magnificent
power, beauty and splendor in creation, God is an artist, God has great
artistry and you can observe it. You
can observe it in the plant material around us, you can observe it in the
physics of the universe around us, He’s a mathematician, He’s an artist, all
these things, but most fully He is known to man through man. That’s why the Holy Spirit witnesses the
salvation gospel through us to people, not through the dogs and cats or
anything else. It’s through people that
carry the gospel. In the case of
Christ, because Christ is made in the image of God, as human in His humanity,
when God became man you have the epitome of all revelation.
The
third thing that we said is that history has eternal significance. Here you have God combining with man who
lived in history, and who lived for some 30-33 years, walked around the planet,
and then left this life and has been in His humanity resurrected and is at the
Father’s right hand. That means that
when the Lord Jesus Christ, in the book of Revelation, appears on the throne as
a Lamb that has been slain, He bears the marks of the crucifixion. So always and forever, in eternity if we are
able in eternity to constantly glimpse His body, we will be reminded of
history, because the scars on His body are the accumulative effect of
history. What does that mean? History is not just a dream in the mind of
God. That’s important because the
tendency has been in church history to drift over into that area and make
history utterly insignificant and it’s doesn’t make any difference whether it
ever happened or not as long as God planned it. God had a plan for history, obviously, but the plan for history
and history are two different things.
At the instant of creation there was the plan and history. The instant before creation there was only
the plan. So history has significance.
All that plays a role in the doctrine we have to go over tonight.
Finally
on page 45 a fourth implication was that the starting point, not the end point,
the starting point of serious systematic thinking must begin with the person of
Jesus Christ because the person of Jesus Christ combines God and the creation. Now we’re moving over to some material and
we’re going to see the implications of the doctrine of kenosis.
Just
to review, let’s turn to Phil. 2 again.
This is the passage from which the word “kenosis” comes from. In verse 5, “Have this attitude in
yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus.”
The picture there is in our sanctification we are to imitate the
thinking of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then here’s where the word “emptied himself,” verse 7 is coming up, and
the context is, [6] who although He existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7] but emptied Himself taking the
form of a bondservant, and being made in the likeness of men. [8] And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on
the cross. [9] Therefore also God highly exalted Him,” etc.
We
quote that and read it usually in connection to the Christian life and
sanctification, etc. But notice verses
5-7 ground, i.e. put a basis, a foundation underneath the Christian life that
is very difficult to understand. That’s the difference between the New
Testament and books on ethics, like Confucius or some business success book or
something like that. They can all talk about what’s right, what’s wrong and
this and that. But you’ll notice when
Paul goes to talk about what’s right and wrong, he insists on bringing in the
whole universe to build a basis for what he’s saying, which ought to warn us
that without that basis we can’t have our ethics, we can’t have the Christian
life. It does matter what we believe
about these bases. If it didn’t the
Bible wouldn’t be constructed this way.
So
these doctrines, while they’re very difficult to understand, just know that
they’re woven into the warp and the woof of the New Testament. And they appear almost casually; look at
Phil. 2. It starts out in verses 1-2
and it looks like it’s just a normal letter, he’s talking about things
socially, things ethically, and then for some unknown reason, in verses 5-8 we
have one of the most profound doctrines in the whole Christian faith, the
doctrine of kenosis, of the God-man Savior, and how the two natures of Christ
interact. Why is that thrown into the
text? It must be thrown into the text
for a reason, and the reason is that Jesus Christ is the model of
sanctification. Earlier when we had
gone through the frame of reference from the Old Testament, we associated
various doctrines and various events, and one of the events was the conquest
and settlement.
Remember
the sequence in the Old Testament, because God teaches history pedagogically,
lesson 1, lesson 2, lesson 3. These
events are sequenced with that in mind.
So you have the call of Abraham.
What is that? That’s election, that’s a separation, God interfered, God
intrudes into human affairs. He does it
His way, not our way, so He decides which way history is going with the call of
Abraham. So immediately, right up
front, we have a catastrophic intrusion of the plan of God. Then we have the Exodus, which is analogous
to judgment and salvation. It’s like
the flood of Noah, it’s a great judgment upon the separation of the saved and
the unsaved. So there’s salvation. Then Mount Sinai after salvation, please
notice salvation is not by works, salvation is not by keeping the law, law wasn’t
around. See the sequence. We protect
ourselves theologically if we always remember the sequence of revelation. It’s easy to remember, which comes first,
Sinai or Exodus? The Exodus comes first.
So what happens? We’re saved before the law. The law comes afterwards because it’s the law that is revealed to
those who are saved. It is what God’s
will is for those who are interested in His will.
Then
we have the conquest and settlement, the rise and reign of David. Then we
talked about Solomon, and notice the doctrine that kept coming up again and
again; sanctification, i.e. becoming conformed to God’s holiness. We said the goal of sanctification is to
obey God, to love Him with all our heart, mind and soul. The problem is, as you look back at history,
in the conquest and settlement you saw failure, sanctification was never
finished. In the rise and reign of
David sanctification was compromised, murder, adultery, etc. In the golden era of Solomon you had growth
in wisdom and then total materialism, total collapse of the culture, you had
chastening and repentance, the kingdom divided, the kingdoms in decline, more
chastening. In the exile you had the
final separation of the people. So all of these were contaminated, but when we
come to the person of Jesus Christ, there is no contamination so He becomes the
model. That’s why in verse 5 He comes
into the discussion, solidly as the example.
We want to deal with Him as an example, and we can’t deal with Him as an
example until we understand something.
You can’t just talk about Jesus; you have to think about Jesus.
Sometimes our mouth gets fifty miles ahead of our minds. So let’s look at what’s happening here with
Jesus Christ.
In
the notes on page 57 I took the attribute of omniscience and I said if you look
at those verses, Mark 5:9; 6:38; 9:21; John 6:6, Jesus asks for information; it
appeared clearly that He did not have omniscience in those passages. So those passages emphasize His human
knowledge. When you see those passages He’s operating out of His humanity. We went through that wonderful passage in
Isaiah that Hengstenberg in the 19th century brought out about the
Messianic flavor of how Jesus awoke in the morning by the call of the Father
every morning, morning by morning You teach Me, etc. That’s a great, great passage, that Isaiah 50:4-11 passage. We concluded by turning to John 1:48,
2:24-25; 16:30; 21:17 and there you have Jesus clearly showing His omniscience;
there omniscience is shown.
So
what is this person? He walks around
sometimes showing omniscience, other times not; most of the time not showing
omniscience. We took another attribute, his omnipotence, and remember one of
the great temptations; Satan came to Jesus tempting Him to make stones into
bread, which would have required the exercise of His omnipotence. So Satan very clearly knew something, and
we’ve got to think about this. If Satan
attacked Jesus Christ, it was a destructive attack; it was an ill-motivated
attack, what would have happened. Think
about that. Jesus Christ is God and He
is man. Satan wants to stop Jesus Christ and the way he chooses to do it in a
temptation is to get Him to use His deity when He shouldn’t—make those stones
into bread. So it’s a clear issue that the
New Testament is making that Jesus Christ was submitting to His Father in how
He was using His deity, because clearly He wasn’t going to use His deity that
way. Clearly the Lord Jesus Christ had
a mission to face down Satan, utilizing the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the
Trinity, indwelling His humanity and meeting Satan that way.
Why
do you suppose this is a big issue?
It’s because Jesus Christ is our model.
If Jesus Christ had met Satan with His own omnipotence, He couldn’t be
our model, and our sympathetic high priest.
This is why in the Gospels, read them carefully and watch, when you read
through the Gospels and you read the life of Christ, questions ought to rise up
in your mind and these will help make you a better observer of the text. Ask yourself, in the passage I am reading is
Jesus operating with His true humanity or whether I’m seeing a momentary
flashing forth of His deity; it just flashes forth and then comes back again,
you don’t really see it too long. All four Gospels do this, and it’s kind of
fascinating to read Christ’s life in that light, analyzing always, am I looking
at His humanity or am I looking at His deity?
In some passages you can’t tell because they’re mixed together and
somehow He shows both His humanity and His deity. That’s a whole study in itself.
But I’m just saying that when you look at the New Testament text you
will be challenged as you think more deeply about the person of Jesus Christ,
to pinpoint what it must have been like to walk around with this guy. It was clearly a challenging situation.
We’re
going to state the doctrine of kenosis.
Page 58, second sentence, is what we’re stating to be the doctrine of
kenosis, i.e. it refers to the giving up of the independent use of the divine
attributes, meaning that the Son volitionally chose to submit completely to the
First Person, and in His life the decisions all flowed out of the Father’s
will, I can do nothing except what I see My Father doing. Paul was very, very impressed with this. Paul reflected on the person of Christ,
because Phil. 2:5-8 are Paul’s own literary
original thoughts (Paul’s being aided by the Holy Spirit) about the
person of Christ, prompted by the Holy Spirit yes, guided by the Holy Spirit,
yes, revealed by the Holy Spirit, yes.
But Peter didn’t have this thought, John didn’t have this thought. This is Paul’s thought. This is something
unique, true and a highly precise statement of Christ.
So
Paul was impressed by the fact that though the Son had all these divine
attributes, He deferred the use of them to whenever His Father okayed it, and
if His Father didn’t okay it, He didn’t do it.
Notice what we’re not saying here.
There’s a false doctrine of kenosis that liberalism has taught in
church, i.e. that Jesus Christ gave up His deity. We’re not saying that.
Notice it says, “giving up the independent use of the divine
attributes,” not the attributes. The
attributes didn’t go away while Jesus was walking around, they remained. They could have broken forth at any
time. Remember what He said at the
cross as He was praying about Gethsemane. What did He say? All I have to do is send the word and there
will be legions of angels here, I don’t have to put up with this, I don’t have
to stick with this, but if the power of salvation was to be secured He did
because to secure the plan of salvation He had to operate according to the
protocol of the Father, and that was the terms, that was how our salvation came
about to be generated in history.
Every
blessing that we have, every part of righteousness that’s credited to our
account, all the blessings of grace that flow to us come about because of the
obedience of the Son. We must never forget that. The cross is free, yes, free to us, but it cost Him. And it wasn’t just the pain of the cross; it
was the decision to obey the Father that led to the cross. All this is wrapped up in this person of
Christ. I quote a Catholic Christologist
here because in this case Roman Catholicism and Protestantism agree. Protestantism and Catholicism have very
similar Christology’s. The church
didn’t split in the process of Reformation over Christology; it split over
soteriology, i.e. how to get saved. So
we can be one with Roman Catholics in the area of Christ, in most areas,
there’s some philosophic areas where we’d have to differ.
Notice
what Karl Adam’s says. This is a
Catholic theologian expressing the hypostatic union doctrine. Look at his sentence where it says “Every
time His Messianic mission made it necessary, He could draw with the cup of His
intellect from the infinite spring of divine wisdom… Usually, it remained
potential knowledge, not actual knowledge.
It remained in His unconscious, hidden beneath the threshold of his
daylight consciousness. Only when His
hour was come, could He and might He by way of contemplation realize this
potential knowledge.”
What
Adam’s is trying to describe here is what’s going inside, and it’s very
difficult, it’s speculative, but it’s an attempt to try to think through how Jesus
was thinking as He walked through life as the God-man. The key that you want to note is the
italicized sentence, “The kenotic state,
then, can be viewed as a special, extreme case of the general intra-Trinity
subordination.” We want to watch
this because we’re coming up on some very controversial stuff in Christian
circles that fall out of this. It’s
controversial because nobody studies basic doctrine any more; that goes out the
window. Who knows about the hypostatic union?
The Church for the first 400-500 years knew about it, but we don’t,
we’re advanced! We have Jesus Christ as
the Son. Before Jesus Christ was
incarnated He was still the Son. The question is, before He was incarnated,
what was the relationship of the Son to the Father? The Trinity still existed,
always has existed, and there’s always this progression in the Trinity. In the most obvious way that’s why the First
Person is called Father, and the Second one is called the Son. If those nouns, Father and Son, didn’t
denote something, maybe the names of the Trinity would be A and B, or C and D,
but God the Holy Spirit, who’s the revealer, has chosen those vocabulary words.
The Father is a noun that the Holy Spirit has picked out to teach us something
about the relationship of the Father to the Son.
It’s
analogous to a father/son in a family in some way. Both the Father and the Son share the same attributes. But the relationship between them is
analogous to a father and a son relationship in a normal human family. Or we could invert it, a good exercise for
us to think about, refresh our minds, sanctify them, is turn these
relationships upside down and say the relationship between a father and a son
in a human family is patterned after a prior relationship of the Father and Son
in the Trinity. When you invert things
like that… we often talk about anthropomorphisms, where God appears a man, and
I like to invert that and say man’s a theomorphism. God is the primary one, we’re the secondary ones, we’re the
derivative products.
We
want to move to the implications of this.
What do we learn about practical life from the kenosis? We’ve run it
through the grid, we’ve looked at it, we know that is has obvious applications
because Paul is using it. He thought
about this in the middle of a very practical letter of Christian exhortation.
The
last paragraph on page 58, “In Philippians 2 Paul is concerned with the heart
of sanctification: the goal of loyalty toward God regardless of what He
asks.” Look at Phil. 2:1, “If therefore
there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if
there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, [2]
make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love,
united in spirit, intent on one purpose. [3] Do nothing from selfishness or
empty conceit; but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as
more important than himself;” now watch what happens here, notice the lead-in;
that tips us off as to the linkage of the doctrine of kenosis with its
application. As he eases into verse 5,
what were the last few things he’s emphasizing in verse 3-4? “Let each of you regard one another as more
important than himself,” the attribute of humility in verse 3. [4] “Do not merely look out for your own
personal interests, but also for the interests of others.” Then in that context he says you have a
model, and the model is the person of Jesus Christ.
One
of the things that Paul does that’s so different from the way the world works,
and it’s true of the other apostles also, is that they put these deep things in
the middle of what we would call practical passages, and you wonder, are they
trying to turn us into theology professors?
Why do they do this? The answer,
I think, is that that’s how we derive energy and motivation. We don’t derive
energy and motivation by saying you’ve got to live the Christian life, live the
Christian life, live the Christian life, you’ve got to do this, you’ve got to
do that, operation bootstrap; what we wind up with is getting frustrated. We
get tired of that stuff and we burn out after a while. In the Scripture the way the energy and the
motivation comes is by shutting everything off and concentrating on who God
is. Ultimately that’s where the energy
comes from. It’s like going outdoors,
looking at the sun and you get warmth and healing from the sun. You receive before you can give. We have to comprehend and behold our God; if
we would just go out and sunbathe, if we’d bathe our spirits in His presence,
understanding Who it is, it energizes us.
It gives us that sustaining strength to meet the times of life. And it’s a lot easier to do than trying to
do this, do that, got to schedule this, got to do that. We have to have the planning, obviously, but
that’s not where the energy comes from.
The energy comes from somewhere else and here’s a most eloquent
passage.
Look
at the tense of the verbs in verse 1-4, what kind of mood are they? They’re all
imperatives. What does verse 2 say,
“make my joy complete,” that’s not an indicative verb, that’s an imperative
mood, that’s a command, that’s an order.
In verse 3, “Do nothing,” do, do, do, that’s an imperative mood, it’s
not a description, it’s not an indicative mood. All these are imperatives. Verse 4, “Do not merely look for your own
personal,” that’s imperative. Then in
the middle of that he says another imperative and leads into the theology. The imperative is [5] “Have this attitude in
yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus.”
And the rest of it is all indicatives; they’re all descriptive moods of
the verbs. So why do the imperative
verbs stop and the indicative moods start? Because it’s the indicative that
describes the person of Jesus Christ to which our attention is directed. “Looking to Him,” this is what it means to
look to Him, it doesn’t mean meditate and think up thoughts about Jesus on your
own, it means to take the Scriptures and understand and receive from the
Scripture a Scriptural insight into the person of Christ.
Now
the implications of kenosis. The first
one, page 58, is connected right here with Phil. 2 with the virtue mentioned in
verse 3. What’s the virtue mentioned in
verse 3? Humility. “The foundational virtue in the biblical
worldview is not courage or self-righteousness as in certain pagan worldviews,”
it’s not love, you can go to pagan literature and there were great epical
pagans, don’t ever think that paganism is debauchery. Some people have a notion that we use the word pagan and it means
debauchery, that’s probably because that’s the only context they’ve seen. Paganism has had great moral teachers. Confucius was a pagan, but he was a great
moral teacher.
The
issue then is: what is the prime virtue?
If you read these ethical teachers of the world system, business success
books today, Stoicism is coming back into the business world; Stoicism is
coming back into the man on the street.
The average bookstore now is going to sell books with regurgitated
stoicism. The problem is there’s no
drive, there’s no motive, there’s no energy source for all that. The reason people drift to Stoicism is the
pendulum problem; we’ve had a lot of licentiousness and hell-raising going on
every since the hippies of the 60’s, and people are getting tired of this. We have to have something new, so the
pendulum is swinging back over. This
has gone on now for a generation, and now the pendulum is starting to swing
back and we’re going to go back to legalism.
We’ve always done this. The
legalism will last for awhile and nobody has any energy to fight it any more so
then we go out and do a little licentiousness again. The pendulum is always swinging.
In
the Scripture, the basic starting virtue is not the fruit of virtue. There are virtues that follow. Notice that when Paul starts out, and we’ve
seen this intuitively, it gets back to the Creator/ creature distinction. If we have the Creator/creature distinction
in our heads, we will automatically have humility in our hearts because you
can’t believe that if you’re a creature and He’s the Creator, how can you not
be humbled by it? So the virtue of
faith is humility. Jesus made a very
startling statement in John 5, it’s scary; he addresses a group of people on
the street and says to them, you know, you people can’t believe, you people
really have a big problem here, you can’t believe. He says you can’t believe
while you’re sitting there seeking honor from one another and you don’t seek
the honor that comes from God alone and if that’s your situation you are never
going to believe. You can sit there and
say I believe, I believe, I believe, until you’re blue in the face and it’s all
phony. Genuine faith can only follow with this humility virtue because by definition
this is the repentance.
Humility
is kind of like the other side of repentance, it’s submission to the Creator,
and once that’s straight then we can trust Him. But if we’ve never submitted to
Him as our Creator, we’ve never really reflected on His demands on us, His
holiness and our sinfulness. And if we
have reflected on that, then we come to the problem, now I’m afraid of Him; I’m
like Adam and Eve in the garden. What did they do five minutes after they
fell? They’re putting on fig leaves and
hiding. So if I’m really thinking of my
Creator I’ve got to go through the whole sequence until I get to the gospel,
and when I get to the gospel then I can rest because now He’s saved me, now He
promises me His atoning blood covers my sin, now I’m at peace, now I’m at
rest. But all that flows first from
recognizing that I’m a creature.
Christ,
in His kenosis, models what the humility ought to look like… what humility ought to look like. That’s Christ’s life
in the New Testament. Please notice,
was Christ courageous? You bet! Was He
every inch a man? Absolutely. But was He humble? Yes He was. So courage
and humility are not antonyms, but they’re not identical and there’s a more
complicated connection between them. If
a person is humble they will be courageous in a righteous way. If a person is
not humble they can be courageous in an arrogant way. So arrogance and humility can be the sources of a lot of the
so-called virtues. Love can actually be
a fruit of arrogance. Arrogance can
produce wonderful things, arrogance can produce great artistry; arrogance can
produce great music; arrogance can produce all kinds of things, cultural
fruit. Arrogance can produce wonderful
personal relationship because I’m prideful and I want to show everybody that I
can get along with everybody and I’m a successful person, and I do this and
that, it’s all the fruit of arrogance.
Don’t
be deceived, being humble is not walking around looking humble, it’s in the
head and in the heart recognizing who we are, we’re creatures. So the first thing we understand is that
Jesus Christ patterns for us what humility is, and that’s what Paul is saying,
because notice in verse 3 and 4 he was talking about humility before he got to
kenosis. So kenosis models that humility.
On
page 59 I’ve listed some verses where this is traced, not just from Paul but in
the rest of the New Testament. Jesus
followed the Father’s plan, “even when that plan required ‘devaluation’ or the
‘emptying’ of the independent use of His own divine attributes. He faced at this point the biggest
temptation t pride ever faced in human history: would He humble Himself to
endure the abuse of rebellious creatures and the wages of their sin when He
could have remained in the tranquility and purity of heaven?” That’s the “emptying.” I mean, who wants to go walking in a sewer,
and walking around in a sewer is probably a very good picture of the way the
Lord Jesus Christ as God the Son walked in our sinful fallen world. And probably spiritually it was a big sewer
for Him, and He did it for us, in His amazing grace.
The
corollary to Him doing that, the corollary and result of Him humbling Himself
to His Father is that He’s exalted. God
exalts the humble. God exalts them
because they submit to Him. Notice
these passages of Scripture. “For it became Him,” and by the way, which
personality of the Trinity is the “Him,” we ought to be able to figure that one
out, “it became Him for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in
bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect
through sufferings,” Heb. 4:10. Who’s
the captain of their salvation? The
Second Person of the Trinity. Who is
the “Him” then? The First Person of the Trinity. See how you want to analyze Scripture text when you read. What does that tell us? “…to make the captain of their salvation
perfect through sufferings,” that means that Jesus Christ, when He was a babe
in His mother’s arms was not perfect.
We’re
not talking about imperfection morally; we’re talking about growth of
sanctification and loyalty to God. Adam
and Eve had to be…, even if sin had never come into the world, there still
would have been a need for sanctification because God the Son as a sinless
person required sanctification. So
sanctification can’t always deal with the sin issue. For us it does because we started in the sewer; we didn’t fall
in, we were born in it. So for us we
can’t recognize sanctification apart from sin. But in Jesus it was, He had no sin, but He had to be sanctified.
Sanctification is a positive thing, it’s a growth thing, it’s a strengthening
thing that comes about by obedience, obedience, obedience, obedience,
obedience, obedience, humility to His commands, etc.
Look
at the next one, “Who… endured the cross, despising the shame….that endured
such contradiction of sinners against Himself….” Heb. 12:3. “Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an
example…” that couldn’t be an example if He cheated and used His divine
attributes every time He got in a jam.
That wouldn’t be an example. So
see how kenosis underlies the logic of these texts. He “suffered for us, leaving us an example… who did no sin….Who,
when He was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not;
but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously,” 1 Pet. 2:21-23. He met the trials by being humble and
exercising faith toward His Father, committing … committing what? He “committed Himself to Him that judges
righteously.” It’s a very powerful
thing here. When we say humility it
comes off like it’s weak, it comes off like it’s impotent, but actually it’s
the most powerful thing on earth, because it can’t be defeated. Think about it. If we are in any kind of a situation and God is all these things,
sovereign, love, holy, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable and
eternal, and we commit our situation to Him, who’s going to take Him on? Any comers, someone want to argue? So in the weakness of the humility is
fantastic strength and energy to persevere.
“Christ
modeled for us the cardinal virtue of humility before God in all situations. Humility before God is the basis of
faith. When Christ was demeaned by evil
men, Peter says ‘he committed himself to him that judgeth righteously.’” We may sometimes think we’re God, but He was
and is God. “The implication is clear:
if Christ had to stoop that low to obey God, there is nothing that God can ask
us to do that is too low or too humble.
Thus, says Paul, ‘Have this mind in you which was also in Christ Jesus.’
(Phil. 2:5).”
The
next quote is something from the Puritans. I don’t believe everything the
Puritans believed in, but I’ll tell you what, there’s very few… [blank
spot] … we have historical testimony
to the fact that in England when the Puritans ruled England they said you’d
never want to debate one of these guys.
You never wanted to meet them on the battlefield either, so they were
very tough people. And they were very
meditative, and on the inside they were very humble. Look at this, here’s Richard Baxter, notice the date, 1615-91,
and he’s writing this to young pastors, and he’s trying to get these guys to be
sensitive to their flocks, and he does what the Puritans often would do. Instead of giving an imperative or a command
and say all right, go ahead, what they did is they wove it like Paul did into
the deep things of theology, because it’s the deep things of theology that
energize you. The deep things of
theology overwhelmed the world. If you
get rooted into Christian doctrine, theology, the world just strikes you as
amazingly trivial. The world is a
lightweight compared to the Trinity, the Triune God.
Look
at Baxter and how he reasons. He’s
talking to young men in the pastorate.
“O, then, let us hear those arguments of Christ whenever we feel
ourselves growing dull and lifeless.
Can you hear Him saying, ‘Did I did for those people, and will you then
refuse to look after them? Were they worthy of my blood, and are they not worth
your labor? Did I come down from Heaven to seek and to save that which was
lost, and will you refuse to go next door, or to the next street or village to
seek them? How small is your labor or
condescension compared to mine! I debased myself to do this, but it is your
honor to be so employed. Have I done
and suffered so much for their salvation, and will you refuse that little that
lies upon your hands?” Can you imagine
how you’d feel after getting hit with something like this? But you see how powerful these Puritans are.
These are the people that everybody thinks are prudes and idiots, etc., but
they never read them, they just hear about them.
“A
second implication of kenosis” is another fiery topic and this one “concerns
subordination in human relationships.
Most of modern rebellion against authority in the home and in society,
though triggered perhaps by poor leadership situations, comes from a
misconception of subordination. The
popular myth,” this is the key, this is the lie and the deception that is
rampant in our society, even in our own evangelical Christian circles. “The popular myth views subordination as one
individual’s being constitutionally inferior to another.” I may have a
relationship to a superior, maybe in my company, maybe in the military, maybe
in the local church, but you have a superior person, maybe an elder; if you’re
a young officer it may be a Colonel in the military. You have an inferior and that may be me, it may be you; so now we
have this relationship established. The
way we have been programmed in our wonderful democracy is that everybody is
equal and if you don’t show equality in every area all the time in every
aspect, then you are demeaning people.
Sorry!
The
whole home situation starts out with parents and children, fathers and sons,
mothers and daughters. Right there you
have an authority relationship. When
that unravels, like it is our society, then it’s going to unravel everywhere
else because that’s where humility and authority are learned. And if humility and authority are never
learned in the home, then the policeman is going to teach humility and authority
or worse than that, you’re going to meet somebody that’s going to knock your
block off because you’re so arrogant.
And it’ll happen in the flesh or it will happen somewhere else, but
somehow it’ll happen. And if it doesn’t
happen, it will happen in heaven or hell.
It’s going to be, that’s the way God made the universe.
“The
popular myth views subordination as one individual’s being constitutionally
inferior to another. This myth flies in
the face of the Trinity and kenosis. Even in the extreme case of subordination
in kenosis, the Son was not constitutionally inferior to the Father.” He was subordinate to the Father, but He was
not constitutionally inferior to Him.
This person that may be in charge, he may be an elder, he may be a
Colonel, he may some superior in your company, he may be an actual idiot, but
in the situation that’s the way the structure is and you follow it because of
the office. I may not like the person
holding the office but you have to respect the office. That doesn’t mean there
are no appeals and that kind of thing.
I’m
just saying that subordination doesn’t necessarily imply constitutional
inferiority. This person may be a
magnificent person, and the superior person may not have any of the qualities
of the inferior person. It may be a
wife married to a husband who’s a jerk, and she may be a wonderful Christian
person, and because she’s subordinate and she’s the wife, doesn’t mean she
means less, doesn’t mean she’s valued less, doesn’t mean God values her life
less, but in the relationship the relationship is different than value. That’s the thing you want to think about
with kenosis and Trinity, because if you get this screwed up, it affects the
way you think in everyday life and you’ve got to keep going back, well wait a
minute, the Father and the Son have an order and the Son is no less God than
the Father. That’s where kenosis helps.
“One
example of the misunderstanding of subordination is the view of it within the
Women’s Liberation movement. This movement assumes that woman’s subordination
in marriage to the husband is one of constitution, not of role. Christian
feminist writers like Scanzoni and Hardesty try hard to defend their notion
that all subordination is repulsive so they seek to refashion the subordination
of the Trinity and kenosis.” That’s a
good way of doing it; if what you’re teaching conflicts with basic Christian
doctrine, change the doctrine. Now look at what they write, this came out
twenty years ago but this is the Bible of the whole movement in evangelical
circles. This book that I’m quoting
from, this where it all started in evangelical circles.
“‘Is
Christ subordinate to the Father? …Christ as God and man both rules and
submits. He voluntarily, out of love,
set aside the privileges of the Godhead to assume the work of redemption as a
man,” that’s okay, “but he has now ascended into heaven to resume all his
divine attributes.” Excuse me! Resume
all His divine attributes? When did He
lose them? See, it’s hard for them to
think that Jesus Christ, while He was walking around here, actually had His
divine attributes because it’s hard for them to exist in any kind of a
subordinate relationship without feeling demeaned. They can’t imagine that Christ walked around in a subordinate
relationship, and He must have emptied Himself of His attributes, He’s got to
go back and pick them up again. NO,
that’s not the doctrine of kenosis. I
just quote that, it’s a great quote out of their book because it shows you how
weird ideas are actually controlled, but if you let them, it will be controlled
by good, solid, Biblical theology. And
these weirdoes, when they think consistently, are forced by logic to dismantle
the key doctrines, and that’s how you tell something is crazy here, something
doesn’t fit. This just doesn’t work
out.
“Their
theology is heretical. Christ did not
ascend to heaven ‘to resume all His divine attributes’ because He had them
always while He was on earth as John’s Gospel particularly shows. As the Second Person of the Trinity in
heaven now the Son has an ordered relationship with the Father that can be
understood only in terms of subordination of earthly sons to earthly
fathers.” Why else do we still call
them “father” and “son?” “The very
citation of 1 Cor. 15:27-28 refutes their point: the Son is eternally subordinate
to the Father, not just when He was under kenosis.”
Turn
to 1 Cor. 15:27, this is the one they quote.
You look at this and see if you get the same thing out of it they got
out of it. This was their key proof
text. This is where they said see, when
Jesus went to heaven after all the work was done, then He picked up His
attributes and moved on. Let’s read
verses 27-28 carefully. “For He has put
all things in subjection under His feet.
But when He says, ‘All things are put in subjection,’ it is evident that
He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. [28] And when,” now
look at verse 28 carefully, “And when all things are subjected to Him” which
Trinity is that, First, Second, Third, “when all things are subjected to Him,”
the subject here is Christ. So, “when
all things are subjected to Him,” they like that, everything’s subjected to
Christ, the Second Person is over everything, wow, I like that role, but what
do you do with the next clause, “then the Son Himself also will be subjected to
the one who subjected all things to Him,” and who’s that talking about? The Father.
So sorry! The proof text doesn’t
prove what they’re tiring to prove from the text.
Lastly,
“a third implication of the kenosis doctrine has to do with the problem of the
difference between” Christ’s knowledge and our knowledge, and that’s so hairy
we won’t get into it tonight. We’ve
covered tonight the two applications of the doctrine of the Trinity, that it
supports the concept that the cardinal virtue, unlike Greek literature where
it’s love, or it’s courage, or it’s whatever, in the Bible the cardinal virtue
is humility. A good verse to remember,
“the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Proverbs 9:10. That “fear
of the Lord” that’s humility, that’s the kind of humility. We’re not talking
about weakness; we’re not talking about humility vis a vis person to person, man. We’re talking about humility of us
as individual people as creations to our Creator, in that vertical sense,
that’s the humility we’re talking about.
The
second application we dealt with is the issue of relationships, and the
inferiority/superiority linkage, that does not in any demean the value of the
people in those relationships. Because
if it’s true… if it is true, work the logic backwards, if it is true that
subordination in relationships demeans the inferior, then it must also be true
that the Trinity is false.
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Question
asked: Clough replies: You’ve just anticipated the whole next lesson on
impeccability; very good insightful question because it does logically
follow. Did everybody hear the
question? Was Christ constrained in the
middle of these temptations and so on in choices by His divine nature? Even though He was in His humanity, because
His humanity was in union with His deity, was He thus constrained? And that happened, people thought that
through and that’s resolved in the next doctrine, impeccability. That’s an important point because out of
that comes an answer of why He can be a sympathetic high priest, to our
temptations, and you wonder, wait a minute, how can Christ be… you know, He
never sinned like I have, and here I am wallowing around, and how can He be a
sympathetic high priest to me. Well,
it’s because he’s not sympathetic to the sin but he’s sympathetic to our
temptations. Then you say how can
Christ be tempted? I mean, come on, He
couldn’t have sinned, so how could He be tempted if He couldn’t sin. And that’s the struggle of impeccability,
but that’s good, because she picked up that kenosis is leading that way. And that’s obviously an associated doctrine.
Sorry, but we’ll answer it next week.
Question
asked: Clough replies: And that’s again
part of the impeccability issue, is that God took a big risk here, in the sense
that if it were possible that Christ could sin, the whole salvation plan would
have been brought down. Satan, by the
way, obviously believed that He could.
He concertedly attacked Christ.
Here he is probably the most brilliant creature ever made, Satan. His IQ is far above ours and his analysis of
the whole situation was that he could do it.
What we find with Satan, however, is genius born of arrogance. He is brilliant, but in one sense he’s
brilliantly stupid because he trips himself up because he is arrogant. This is not to demean his intelligence,
because he’s brilliant. But because he
is so utterly arrogant toward God his own intellect has been blinded, so that
while his intellect can reach thousands of miles beyond ours, it perpetually
reaches in the wrong direction. So he
becomes a brilliant idiot, a brilliant fool.
And
versions of that abound in the society.
You can have absolutely stunningly brilliant people that are so off the
wall, and I don’t mean foolish ones, but I mean really far out in some very
basic things, and can become heads of cults, can sweep millions along with
them, and of course we’re going to find in the future there’s going to be one
person that does that very effectively, and that’s the antichrist. So Satan thinks that it is possible to stop
the God-man in His tracks. And he did
so by tempting Christ three ways in Matthew 4, the same three ways he worked
with Adam and Eve. It was a temptation
of the flesh, a temptation to the spirit, and a temptation to the eyes. Look, he says as he took Jesus to the
temple, look upon all the kingdoms of the world and look at the glory and the
honor that I can give you, just bow to me.
Which, by the way, implies something; it implies that he is the ruler of
this world. It had to be a genuine
offer, did it not? That these are mine,
and they’ll be yours Jesus, all you have to do is give me the word.
And
then the rock, you know the lust of the flesh, He wanted to eat, He was hungry,
oh, turn this stone into bread, you can do it Jesus, just use your divine a
attributes against the Father’s will, and you can do that, and that would be so
nice to watch you do that. So the
collision between Satan and Christ does affirm that in Satan’s mind it was
possible for Jesus to sin. If he didn’t
think so he’d never have tried it.
Question
asked: Clough replies: Remember, we
have an abbreviated version in half a dozen verses in Matt. 4, so that was an
extensive period, and I think if you think of the temptations there, after
forty days of fasting you would be vulnerable too. And probably it came in the guise of do I really have to stay
true to My humanity here, this is pretty extreme, why can’t I just kind of jump
the track here and take care of My needs here.
So yes, that probably was dressed up, the issue of look at the kingdoms
of this world. What is the ultimate
role of the Messiah? To rule the
kingdoms of the world. So there he’s
playing on a genuine Messianic goal, it’s just going to get there by shortcuts. So it’s woven into the Messiah’s calling,
but we really, I think we have to kind of meditate on this because we get
slammed around, but there’s an ingenious streak to temptations, and the problem
is that usually we’re foggy.
Temptations
usually overwhelm us when we’re not thinking through things, when we’re acting
emotionally or we’re just tired, we’re not thinking right, and that’s when we
make stupid decisions, get our eyes off the Lord, etc. I think what’s so amazing is that Jesus was
a model for us in the way He dealt with those situations, that frankly I’d
flake out. Think of what went on in
Gethsemane. What are the disciples
doing in Gethsemane? Sleeping. It wasn’t because, oh, I’ll take a nap. Those guys were tired, they had had some
emotionally wrenching times; this wasn’t an easy life here. It probably deeply profoundly bothered them
that they saw this person and they thought hey, He’s going to bring in the
millennial kingdom, and now He’s going to get crucified. What happened to all this kingdom
business? So they were tired, and they
collapsed, they just collapsed. But
Jesus didn’t. And the fact that He
didn’t, we can’t say because we’re tempted to do that, oh well, He was
God. No, in that situation He was not
relying on His omnipotence. So the fact
that Jesus held in there and was thinking things through is our model. He did it when… our representatives are the
disciples, snoring. That’s the way we’d
be.
And
even a more profound statement of Christ’s fantastic discipline is as weak, as
under pressure, as tired, as exhausted as He would be in these things, His mind
was always stayed on the Word of God.
Think of Psalm 22, as He was dying for our sins He was actually reciting
Psalm 22. You hear sermons on Good
Friday about “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?” And in the Gospels
you read that, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?” What people don’t understand is that in
Psalmology, i.e. in the structure of the Psalms, they didn’t have Psalm 32,
Psalm 110, Psalm 22, they didn’t have titles.
That’s the English translations to add those titles. The way He referred to a Psalm in Jesus day
was referring to the first verse. The
first verse of the Hebrew Psalms in the Hebrew Bible is the title.
So
then when you read in the Gospels that He said “My God, My God, why hast Thou
forsaken Me?” what He’s really saying is Psalm 22. He said Psalm 22. He recited the whole Psalm; He didn’t just
say “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” He was thinking through what was going on in the theology of
Psalm 22. He saw Himself at that
instant of dying for us as fulfilling exactly every word, every jot, every
tittle in Psalm 22. So where was His
mind? Was it on the pain of the nails; was it on the pain of our sin? It was still focused on the Word of
God. Now I don’t have that discipline,
and I’ve met very few people that do.
But to be able to stay our minds under the most appalling circumstances
on the Word of God, if Jesus did that and He is our model, what does that tell
you about therapy? What does that tell
you about meeting pressures in life.
How did He meet them? It
certainly wasn’t…, now that we’ve learned the doctrine of kenosis we know that
Jesus did not meet His trials and His temptations with His deity.
That
means that we’ve got to re-look; this guy is our model, how did he do it. And think of this, in Psalm 22, here He is
bearing the sin of the world, He’s been deserted by the Father, it’s absolute
blackness for Him, His Father turns His back because He cannot look upon
sin. So Jesus looks there and He
doesn’t see His Father any more. So in
the absence of that horrible time when fellowship, as it were, He was separated
while He was dying for our sins, the thing that kept Him going was the only
thing He had, which wasn’t even feeling emotional connection with the Father,
because that was severed then. Even in
that emotional severance He went back to the Word of God that He had learned
for years. Remember the verse in Isaiah
50, “He awakens Me morning by morning” to teach, to teach, to teach, to teach,
to teach Me. What did He teach Me? The Word of God, the Word of God, the Word
of God, the Word of God. His soul was
so filled with the Word of God that even when His Father turned His back the
Word of God cycled up here, it went through His brain, His thoughts were always
in the Word, the Word, the Word, the Word, more precious than anything
else.
To
me that’s the model. And that tells me
something, like when I don’t do that, it tells me, well Clough, you idiot, what
do you want, I’ve given you the model, what’s your problem. It’s interesting, I don’t know if you heard
Chuck Colson on Breakpoint, but it was interesting, he said what was striking
about the incidence out in the Denver area, Colson said the school authorities
after this massacre brought in dozens of grief counselors, professional
psychologists, to talk to the kids. And
the teachers were all saying to the kids, you’ve got to go down there and get
your grief handled, and hey, that’s okay, I mean the pagan world does the best
it can, they mean well. And the kids
weren’t going to the grief counselors.
What’s this, no kids going to the grief counselors? They had to snag the kids to get them to go
the grief counselors.
Do
you know where they were all going?
Evangelical churches. The
pastors and the youth ministers were saying they were besieged with dozens and
dozens of these kids coming to them.
And the way Colson put it, he said they didn’t want to deal with their
grief, they wanted to deal with the big issue of why did this happen. See, the grief is an emotion, and all that
the professional grief counselor can tell you is oh, vent your emotions, if you
want to scream, go scream, just go outdoors and do it somewhere, just get it
out. That doesn’t do anything, you get
it out and then you keep thinking the same thought again. So the kids wanted to get a framework, we
would call it the doctrine of suffering, they wanted somebody to explain how
could this happen in our backyard, how could my friend get shot in the face
because she acknowledged that she believed in God. And I was there and her blood spilled all over me because I was
twelve inches away from the bullet when it hit her body, and I’ll never forget
that. That’s a scene that you and I
probably never would forget, that’ll be with us for the rest of our lives.
So
what do you do now? Put it out of your
head? You can’t, because it keeps
coming back. So you do what that
strategic envelopment does, remember the fish eating the little fish, you
envelop it with a divine viewpoint of the Word of God, so it’s there, it’s not
denied, it’s reinterpreted in the light of the Word of God. That solves the grief. Yes, there’s tears,
there’s heartache, everything isn’t going to be all right emotionally for a
while, but the heart, the sting is taken out because it’s controlled. What did we say about the doctrine of evil
and the Christian position versus paganism? Elementary. It started, it didn’t exist, it started and
God’s going to deal with it. What did
we say? Evil is bracketed. Does paganism have anything like that? Absolutely not! Evil all the way back, I
mean, amoebas were eating amoebas, struggle of nature, and it’s always going to
be that way. Wonderful place,
everybody’s going to continue to die for millions of years. Death goes on, hey, it’s part of life.
What
Colson pointed, he said all the professional grief counselors could tell the
kids was, because they were somewhat Freudian, he cited one of the experts as
saying a lot of this still comes out of old Sigmund, basically grief is just an
emotion and the way to handle it is severe your emotional link with the lost
loved one. Huh! Severe your emotional link with the lost
loved one? Excuse me! That solves my grief? That’s like taking a drink.
Think
through the diagram, remember, if you are a pagan, and you don’t believe in
limited evil, how do you cope. I think
the only way I could cope, if I really believed that, would be through some
form of anesthetic. It could be a pill,
it could be some debauchery, it could be alcohol, anything to get my mind off
of that. And what do we see in our
society, debauchery, pills, alcohol.
What is the problem? Because
people are hurting. It’s not just that
people like to go out and do drugs.
They’re doing drugs because they’re trying to anesthetize the pain. Why is the pain there? Because this is a fallen world and it’s
sinful, and they’re not getting the gospel or they’re not listening to it. That’s the end. These kids out there were, evidently there were enough Christians
in that high school to bear enough witness in a clear form, I mean, I don’t
think I’ve seen a tragedy in this country where the media talked about kids
being born again, going listening to the Word of God, a fantastic testimony,
just overflowed right in the pagan media.
And you know why I think that is?
It overflowed in the pagan media because the pagan media didn’t have
anything else to say. After they said the kids shot, we’ve got five other
paragraphs, what are you doing to write about?
Everybody’s crying, okay, that’s paragraph two, what do I put in
paragraph three, four and five? Well
I’ve got to tell what the kids are saying. Well, here’s what they’re
saying. They’re saying I have Christ.
Well, I’d better put that in there, it fills up the column. So it got out into
the press, a wonderful testimony.
Question
asked: Clough replies: It’s a totally
different thing. Given the premises of
paganism, given those premises, the far out artists, the far out philosopher,
Nietzsche, what did they say? The only way Nietzsche could get on with his life
was realizing that he was on the precipice of a pit of hell and that he had to
reconcile himself to walking abound I and once he said that’s my life, there’s
nothing else out there, now I will live that way. And he started working philosophically that out. Those people are more sensitive, but the
people that you’re talking about, that you work with in drug rehab and other
places, they may not be as articulate. What
we have to be careful of is as Christians is that we never lose sight of the
fact that whether they’re articulate or not, that’s what’s happening.
They
can’t tell you that’s what’s happening, but we know from the Word of God the
superior method of interpreting, because the Word of God is the authoritative
interpreter of every experience, including so-called mental illness. Then when we interpret by the Word what’s
going on in this experience, we say aha, that’s what’s happening, and it makes
sense once you see it. But when you’re in it, when you’re trapped in it and you
just have automatically kind of absorbed the pagan worldview, you just do
that. That’s why you see all the
efforts in society to go to Stocism now, the big thing is lots of new books now
about Stocism, it’s the world’s attempt to stop there. The pot is boiling, the lid is moving and
we’ve got to put the lid back on here.
But it’s going to fail and it’s going to fail; it’s predictable. The Stoics, the original Stoics failed so
why are we going back 2400 years to Stocism. Paul’s laughing at Stocism in Acts
17, and we haven’t learned anything in some 1900 years since the Aeropagus
address. But here are because we’re
desperate. We don’t like the debauchery
that we see. Pragmatically we know it’s
destructive, so we’ll flock to any kind of a solution to put the lid on.
As
Christians we have to watch it because we’re not going to agree with the lid
that’s being put on the pot. It’s like
one father who’s girl was shot out in Colorado said, and I loved it, he was
interviewed in the media and the media was trying to manipulate an answer, you
know how these reporters ask you these questions and you’re damned if you do
and damned if you don’t the way you answer them, so I forgot what the question
was, but he was trying to get the dad to say golly what a fouled up school
system and golly what idiot teenagers and that sort of stuff. And the father just quietly, after moving
his daughter he looked at the reporter and said, you know, the real problem is
God has been left out of the school system for the last twenty years and we’re
just paying the price; these are the consequences. Yes, that’s the answer!
Absolutely! Of course the
reporter didn’t like that, but it was a live interview so what could he
do? Next week we’ll follow up with the
doctrine of impeccability.