Biblical Framework
Charles
Clough
Lesson 115
We finished the notes that
dealt with the birth of Christ and the hypostatic union and we said there were
some practical results that followed from this doctrine of the hypostatic union
and this truth. Turn to Col. 2:8, the
fourth thing, a very basic thing that follows, once the full deity of Christ is
appreciated. This is a verse that has
been woefully neglected over the centuries of church history. It’s a truth that Paul pointed out to the
Colossians centuries ago, and very few Christians have followed up on
this. It’s a verse that everybody reads
it and goes on and doesn’t give it much thought, but it’s a very important
one.
Paul says: “See to it that
no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to
the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world,
rather than according to Christ.” In
that sentence he sets two things over against each other. He says we have a choice, we can begin and
we can follow philosophy that is according to, kata,
a Greek preposition meaning according to a standard, we can believe, we can
have our viewpoint, we can have our basic belief system, he says “according to
the tradition of men, according,” and the comma there is apposition, “according
to the elementary principles of the world.
The word he uses is stoicheia,
is a word that was used centuries before Paul by Greek philosophers and they
had something very special in mind by this stoicheia. What they had in mind were the basic
elements and building blocks of the universe.
Does anyone remember what
the Greeks thought the universe came from?
Earth, fire, water, air. Those
are four very common elements that the Greeks thought about. We ought to be careful before we laugh at
that, because if you think of what these four elements are, fire, air, water,
and earth, what does that look like. It
corresponds to what in our modern scientific terms: it’s the three phases, the
three states of matter, liquid, gas and solid, and the fire is energy. So it really wasn’t too off base. Today we are taught in our schools the same
thing. When you were trained in school,
what did they say everything came from?
Atoms, energy, all these different things; those are the basic
categories, and then we use those basic categories and build everything from
them.
Paul says in verse 8, don’t
be taken captive by that kind of thinking, “according to the principles of the
world, rather than according to Christ.”
What is striking about this verse is that he is contrasting stoicheia with Jesus Christ. We have to stop here and observe text
carefully and ask why does he do this? How can you contrast earth, fire, water
and air to Jesus Christ? Why is this
contrast there? And he’s making it a
point of orthodoxy. He’s saying let no
man be deceived, he says you have two paths; you have two fundamentally
different world views. You can build
one on this basis or you can build the other one on that basis. The last four or five weeks we’ve talked
about the hypostatic union of the Lord Jesus Christ where the Creator and the
creature meet in one person. So what he
is arguing for is that the basic category that we have to begin with is the
Creator/creature distinction, because it’s the Creator/creature distinction
that’s fundamental to understanding who Jesus Christ is.
You cannot understand who
the person of Christ is without understanding the Old Testament
Creator/creature distinction; it’s fundamental. The Lord Jesus Christ has a human body made of matter. Moreover, Jesus Christ’s human body that’s
made of matter, it’s not a pile of atomic particles that happen to be
rearranged in sort of a form. What do
we understand if we read Genesis 1 about the image of man? We understand that he’s made in God’s
image. Remember we made a big point
that the image of God, in which we are made, is not just the immaterial part of
man, but that our bodies, fingers, head, ears, these correspond to what God
would look like were He to appear in a finite form. So the human body is not the casual result of a chance caused
evolution. The human body’s shape is
derivative of the character and being of God Himself. That means that form and matter have a different agenda here than
they do in here. Here form and matter
are sort of an antagonism to one another, whereas in the person of the Lord
Jesus Christ the form and matter fit together in one shape.
This is a difficult area
that we’re going into, so follow in the notes, the first part of the doctrine
of the Trinity, the whole doctrine itself is difficult but in this section
we’re going to get into a lot of Bible passages about the Trinity. I’m tired of hearing this stuff about oh, the
Trinity is not taught in the Bible. All
that shows is that whoever says it never reads the Bible, it’s self-indictment.
Tonight we want to set
things up so that when we come to the text and we look at the Biblical verses
that have to do with the Trinity, you’re asking the right questions, the big
questions. Scripture is like a
wonderfully rich gold mine, and you get out of it as much as you dig. We can come into the cave and pick a few
nuggets but if we really want the good stuff you have to dig, and the way to
dig with the Scripture is bring the heavy questions to the text and let the
text answer the heavy questions, which means first we have to deal with what
are some of the heavy questions. We
have to be careful that we word those questions in a Scriptural fashion.
What we want to do is turn
the tables on what usually happens with this doctrine of the Trinity. Nine times out of ten when the doctrine of
the Trinity is taught, someone will say but that doesn’t make logical sense,
you Christians have an irrationalism in your faith, you have a logical internal
contradiction in the very heart of your faith; how can God be three and how can
God be one. What happens is that the
non-Christian starts here, with his logic machine and then he wants to subject
God to the logic machine. What we’re going to do is show you that it’s actually
the reverse, that the logic machine can’t exist without the Trinity. It’s exactly the opposite. It’s only because we have the Trinity that
we have the ability to think logically and in language.
I want to review how the
pagan mind works because this is heavy stuff, and if you don’t get it, don’t
worry about it, we’ll just go a little at a time. This will not affect the benefit of the Scripture verses we’ll
have next week. But for those of you
who have banged your head on the wall in this area, try to stay with me as I
work through this, because what I am trying to show you is actually a truth
about the Trinity that wasn’t well perceived prior to the 20th
century. In the progress of the Church
the Holy Spirit teaches men; then the next generation that comes along builds
on the shoulders of the previous generation.
In the 20th century because so many battles were fought in
the 1700’s and 1800’s over the faith, fundamentalist Christian thinkers at the
turn of the century realized that something needed to be reformed in how we
deal with issues of our faith, on how we deal with the big questions because it
wasn’t being dealt with very skillfully in the 19th century.
Out of this came an approach
called the presuppositional apologetic, largely developed in Westminster
Seminary by Cornelius Van Til, largely a produce within the Reform Calvinist
circles, a very powerful insight into Scripture. Cornelius Van Til is not well known, he never really wrote a
popular book in his life, no paperbacks, no Christian publisher published his
stuff. The books that he did write were
classroom syllabi that people insisted on reforming and finally going out and
publishing. He wrote articles, forty or
fifty of them in some of the Reform Christian magazines for the Reform
faith. I was talking to Dr. Tommy Ice
about him, his background. Cornelius Van Til earned his PhD at Princeton, and
he was one of those men who was involved in the day when Princeton was going
and the big fundamentalist/modern controversy was around, so he regularly hung
out with J. Gresham Machen who wrote the basic text in New Testament
Greek. He was raised with Robert Dick
Wilson who knew twenty-five Semitic languages; this is the kind of clientele
this guy worked with. He was a
brilliant guy; he actually wanted to be a farmer in Michigan, a very home-spun
type guy, but he was very brilliant.
God had gifted him in a very interesting way. At Princeton his teachers encouraged him to go on, and he
eventually wrote his PhD dissertation on Immanuel Kant. Tommy was telling me that that PhD
dissertation on Immanuel Kant was used by the professor of philosophy at
Princeton to write the standard text on Immanuel Kant that still used today,
one of the basic texts. So this guy is
not some obscurantist.
What Van Til pointed out to
Christians is that the fundamental question behind all philosophy throughout
the centuries has been the question of the One and the Many. This is very practical in its results: the
One versus the Many. The ancient world
had a problem with this; the modern world has a problem with this. Politicians have a problem with this.
Accountants have a problem with this.
Secretaries have a problem with this.
This is a problem that permeates all of life.
Let me try to develop a
little bit more. The problem of the One
and the Many is this: which is more important, is it that which unifies or is
it the individual. For example, politically is it better to have individual
rights and risk breaking society up into little clubs, gangs, groups, ethnic
groups, etc, everybody has their rights, then you lose your unity. You can go over here and emphasize I am an
individual and I have my rights; I have the right to liberty and I do this and
I do that, this individualism. Does
anybody know the end result of this kind of thinking politically? Anarchy.
The other side of the coin
is, in order to have social order, we are going to have the ultimate authority
in the state, and the state will determine what is right and what is wrong,
therefore the state is the most important and not the individual. The political label to this is
totalitarianism. So you have these
extremes and people have fought this battle for ages. Communism came out on the
totalitarianism side of the spectrum.
The Libertarian political party in America right now is aiming in this
direction, the recently elected Governor of Minnesota on the Reformed platform
philosophically is tending toward anarchy, I’m not saying he’s an anarchist,
I’m just saying that’s the emphasis. We
have these two extremes. We’ve always had them in politics.
Let’s take it in another
area to see the One and the Many; let’s take marriage. Marriage is an institution. You could say the husband and the wife
should not lose their individual personalities and identities; marriage isn’t
there to crush and erase the individual personality. The husband has a right and the wife has a right. But if this is made to be the final story we
go to divorce and the dissolution of marriage because the marriage isn’t as
important as the individuals in the marriage.
On the other hand you can have a strong (quote) “marriage,” honoring
marriage to the point where one or the other or both spouses are totally
crushed in their individual expression, their gifts and their use, etc. You can have the same thing in the
family. You can have a family that’s a
splinter family or you can have a family that’s a total dictatorship and
domineered. So I think you can see that in the social realm you have a tendency
to the One or the Many. And it goes on
and on and on. But it’s not just in the
social realm where this occurs, it occurs in other areas.
Let’s take the simple case
of a secretary or at home, you have a filing cabinet. You’ve got all this stuff, materials scattered hither and yon and
you say I want some order in this stuff. So you sit down and start sorting it
out into categories; you put this in this file, this in that file, etc. What sometimes happens is that, say this is
March, you go through and you spend a week organizing all your stuff in this
great filing system. Then you don’t pay any attention to it until October and
then you wonder where did I put this, because the system of organizing the
material doesn’t somehow fit any more, there was a bad emphasis on the
structure of the filing system. In this
illustration what is the One and what is the Many? The Many is the stuff that’s going into the file, the individual
things, and you’re trying to organize it.
By the way, why do you want a filing system?
Think about it, why is there
a need for a One in the middle of the Many?
A filing system is a wonderful illustration of this. Why do we bother to file anything? Because we want to manage it. You can’t manage individual marbles rolling
all over the place, it’s just chaos. So the only way you can manage things is
to have it organized, and if you’re going to organize it, what do you have to
have by way of organizing principles?
You have to have something that makes sense so that it’s not just all
red marbles and all blue marbles or something like that. You’ve got have something that really means
something, so you have to think through how do you do a filing system.
The same thing happens in
accounting. Accounting, basically you have
all these transactions all over the place, and you go crazy trying to treat all
these little transactions. A check book
is a good example. You have a mess if
you don’t have some way of categorizing these transactions. No way could an investor figure out the
value of a business if he couldn’t get some idea of where’s the debt, what kind
of debt quality is this, what kind of assets does it have, where are the
liabilities, what are the tax debts, what is the cash flow in this thing, what
are the debt ratios, etc. All these
things come out of analysis of the individual transaction, how many widgets
were sold last week. Those are the
individual things. Everybody knows that
you can’t have a mess. That’s why we
have accountants, that’s why we have filing systems, that’s why we have
government to bring social order.
There’s got to be something
that emphasizes the One, and you’ll see that the people who emphasize the One
want meaning, they want the big picture.
On the other hand, that can become very oppressive. So the other tendency is to fly in the
opposite direction and say I want my freedom, I want my rights, and put those
in quotes because there’s an eternal contradiction with even that usage,
because if everything is truly individual then there’s no such thing as an
abstract right. The point is that
there’s this tendency wherever you look, whatever century you’re reading, men
have struggled with this issue.
I want to move on, on page 3
because I want to show that it’s even more serious than politics, filing
systems and accounting. This is a
problem is at the nuclear level of our entire way of thinking and knowing. The One and the Many has to be solved in
order to deal with language, and I’m going to hyphenate language-thinking (I
didn’t do this in the notes but maybe it will make it clearer) because you
cannot think without language, period.
All you can do is feel. All you
can do is emote. That’s why the more
illiterate a group is, and I don’t mean illiterate in the sense of reading; the
people in Bible times were illiterate in the sense of formally, they couldn’t
read but they were very literate people, they governed themselves, they thought
in terms of absolutes, they had laws, they had rules of evidence, they could
discuss large issues, so they were literate in that. That’s the general sense of what I mean; they could think. They just didn’t go oomph and feel. So
thinking requires language.
Also involved in this is
logic, because logic is involved in this.
In order for us, at the most basic part of our souls to function, we
need language and we need logic. Here’s
the issue. What I’m doing here is I’m
building something because the critics like to say the Trinity is a logical
contradiction. What I’m going to show
you is that if the Trinity doesn’t exist then there is no language or
logic.
Language and logic both
struggle with the One and the Many.
Let’s take a simple sentence; my dog is a German shepherd. In that sentence there’s One and the Many. What is the individual item? My dog.
I’m classifying my dog as part of a class called German shepherds. In that sentence I haven’t talked about what
a German shepherd is, I’ve said it’s a classification into which my dog fits,
one German shepherd, it’s what eats food next to my refrigerator, that’s my
German shepherd. But I don’t know all
German shepherds. Even if I was a
breeder and I’d seen hundreds and hundreds of German shepherds, I would
ultimately still be dealing with an abstract classification called German
shepherds. Breeders can sometimes argue
about where the boundaries are in some of these things. What is and what isn’t a German shepherd? How much mongrel gene do you get into this
thing before he’s a mutt and he’s no longer a German shepherd? Where do you
draw the boundaries? There are all
kinds of debates over how many mammas and daddies you have to have in the line,
etc.
But the point we’re making
is that here is an ordinary sentence that everybody uses every single day and
we have to deal with the One and the Many.
The Many is any item, any individual item that we’re thinking about, and
when we think about any individual item, whether it’s a transaction, whether
it’s an object in our house, or anything else, we have to link that with some
sort of class, classification, some sort of property. If we don’t, we really don’t know it. Think of anything you know, I just picked animals. When you go to describe your dog to the
friend down the street, how do you describe him? You describe him in terms that he’s a German shepherd, he’s
brown, etc. what are you doing? You’re
describing him in terms property. So
you have to have a set of properties out there in order to describe and know
him, or it’s just I have an oongk in my house, oh, it’s an oongk, come over and
see it. Now until you come over and see an oongk, you don’t know anything about
what oongk is. If I’m going to tell you
what oongk is, I have this list, a set of properties that you know intuitively
exist, that you know about.
The point is that language,
in a miraculous way, is daily solving the problems and nobody can explain how
it works. The philosophers have
struggled with this question, but in practice, life forces the accountant to
deal with it; life forces society to deal with this. Life forces us to think in these terms. We just find ourselves thinking this way.
Let’s look at logic, which
is closely related to this. In order
for there to be any logical coherencies to thinking you’ve got to have, again,
properties and classifications. Let’s
say that we have this sentence: all dogs have four legs. If we’re sloppy in our logic here’s what
happens. X has four legs, this is a bad
syllogism, therefore X is a dog.
Something’s wrong here, it’s not true.
That’s a disorganized and false syllogism. But one of the problems with these syllogisms and why they break
down is that words switch meanings in the process of talking about these
things. For there to be a legitimate
assertion, not only do they have to be organized in the right way, but there
has to be a consistency of usage. If I
start talking about dogs and I have in mind four-footed creatures, and you use
the word d-o-g and you’re referring as a metaphor to something else, we’re
going to be totally confused in our communication, because when I use the word
dog I’m talking about those four-legged things with a tail. When you use the word dog you might be
sarcastically referring to a car that doesn’t work or something. If we try to think across those boundaries
we utilized the word d-o- g different.
What saves us?
Aristotle pointed this out
centuries and centuries ago. He made a
very perceptive statement, as a pagan thinker; here’s Aristotle thinking
through, Plato had started to work with this, Aristotle and Plato developed
logic, etc. Here’s what their conclusion was, and nobody’s refuted them. What they basically argued was that you
cannot have genuine logic unless you have 100% perfect categories. The moment the category boundaries smear
out, your logic starts to leak, as well as your language. That was great, but the problem that
Aristotle and Plato found as pagans was: what do you have to have in order to
have a genuine 100% perfect sharp category?
Think about it. If you think in
terms of dog, German shepherd, that’s a category. Breeders can spend their lives working with German shepherds and
still out there in the fuzzy edge, not know what a German shepherd is. What kind of knowledge do you have to know
to have the perfect knowledge of exactly what a German shepherd is and what he
isn’t? You have to go into the DNA,
etc. But what kind of knowledge is
required? Omniscience.
Follow us, we’re coming to
thick stuff here, but here’s where the payoff is. Think of what we just said.
In order to have language and logic function you need 100% perfect
categories, but who in finite men and human thought can get hold of 100%
universal categories. None of us,
because to have 100% universal categories you’ve got to have omniscience,
you’ve got to know everything in order to classify it in terms of universal
classes, because if you classify it in terms of four German shepherds and here
comes a fifth one, you have to say ooops, I have to adjust for that one. You look at the stock market, some computer
guru has this model that works great for three years, and then the fourth year
the market…oh, we’ve got to adjust our model.
The problem is a finite person is always subject to the n + 1 observation. All knowledge would be contingent.
So the problem and the dilemma
of the One and the Many is simply this, let’s try to phrase this… because this
is going to make us appreciate… this doctrine of the Trinity that came out of
400 years of church history, that everybody says oh that was imported from the
Greeks, you’re about to see how stupid that statement is. The Greeks said One and Many, and they were
smart enough then to realize that in order to get unity in classification
you’ve got to be God, G-o-d. You’ve got
to have God-like knowledge to anchor logic and language. You’ve got to, because you’ve got to have
universal categories that aren’t going to go away on Tuesday afternoon, they’re
going to be valid Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, the year 2000, 2010, 3000, 4000
if the Lord tarries. You can’t have
these things changing or you don’t have knowledge. So the One has got to be divine.
Now let’s look at the other
side. The other problem is that you’ve
got to also have an infinite set of observations of the individual things. You’ve got to have some idea of … here’s an
object, here comes something else, like reading the morning newspaper, you open
up the newspaper, well now what kind of a mess do we have today? You have these things coming to you, and
what the Greeks realized was all you have back of here as the source of these
individual things is pure chance, or they like to call it fate. So the problem of the Many is that you’ve
got all these things coming out of nowhere, and you can’t really know where
these things are coming from, they just happen. They just happen, they pop into your life, go away, pop into your
life, they go away, new things come popping into your life every day. The problem here is that if everything is
really chance, what does that do to the One?
If you really don’t know where this stuff is coming from, how do you
know you can ever get a One, how do you know you could ever get a
classification going at all? You don’t.
The One and the Many are in
perpetual antagonism to each other, on a pagan basis. Finite man is torn between trying to establish all the marbles in
a pattern, on one hand getting the pattern under control and on the other hand
once he gets it, it freezes on him and now he has no freedom; now he has no
rights, no individual room to move. So
here’s the picture of the unbeliever, going back and forth, back and forth,
back and forth. That’s human
history. In a personal private way you
can see this in religious circles, including our Christian circles by a
tendency of those people who in the flesh, when we’re not following the Holy
Spirit, not filled with the Spirit, not obeying Scripture, not walking by
faith, we drift in one of these two directions in our spiritual life. The direction toward the One is
characterized by legalism. We’re going
to establish a principle, whether God leads us to that or not, we’ve got to
have a principle, got to follow the principle, come hell or high water we’re
going to follow the principle; don’t adapt it to the situation, we’ve got to
follow the principle!
The problem is often times
the principles are just part of our own personalities, we happen to be more
comfortable with this life style, so all the Christians have to fit our
principle whether it’s in the Scripture or not. That’s legalism; we have no
right to impose some standard outside of the Scripture on other people, other
Christians. We’re going to meet people
that just grate our souls, but we have to have grace. God has grace. It doesn’t
mean we abandon His standards, but it also means we’re sensitive to these
things. Paul deals with this, if you
want some good Scripture, Rom. 14, 1 Cor 8-10.
Those are central passages, Rom. 14, 1 Cor. 8-10 are practical problems
where Paul had to deal with this legalism situation; people were worried about
eating.
I’ve watched evangelicals,
we’ve been in different churches for 30 years or so, and congregations in the
whole evangelical community go through these fads. What was the thing where no mother was considered spiritual
unless she nursed her baby; that was back in the 70’s, we went through that.
There were some women who couldn’t nurse their babies so they were looked upon
as some sort of unspiritual people.
Where in the heck does the Bible say that every woman has to nurse her
child whether she can medically do it or not?
That’s not in the Scripture. But
we have all this peer pressure set up inside Christian circles. We can get into it in our won congregation,
we can say boy, everybody’s home schooling their kids. That’s fine, some people might not want to
home school. The Bible doesn’t say to
home school. The Bible gives you
educational principles; it says parents are in charge. It doesn’t specify exactly how. I think home schooling is great but I
wouldn’t say that’s for everybody. And
if you make it for everybody it’s legalism, it’s because we’ve got a principle
now and we’ve got to cram, ram and jam it.
That’s going for the One.
On the other hand we have
the Many. Well, I don’t think we should
judge anybody, you know let Him judge, we don’t want to evaluate anything, so
we’re free to do anything, it’s grace, grace all the way, so we can go out and
raise all kinds of hell and Jesus will forgive it. So we have that group, and that’s the licentious group. So here we go, back and forth, back and
forth, back and forth, we’re doing the same thing in our Christian
circles. We still haven’t solved the
One and the Many. I want you to see
that this thing is all permeating.
Here is where the Trinity
comes in. On page 4, watch what happens
in the next few sentences, because one of the things we said from the very
beginning is the One and the Many may be an interesting question, it may be a
very vexing question, it may be a basic question, it may not be solved by any
pagan, but before you answer a question what do you always do? Check to see if
the question is phrased right. Remember
the story, how many times last week did you beat your wife? How do you answer that one without
incriminating yourself? You don’t answer questions unless first you run it through
a grid to say wait a minute, is the question itself honoring to Scripture. Am I coming to this thing with a Biblical
point of view or not, so that’s what I say in this paragraph.
“The Bible-believing
Christian, on the other hand, sees the One and the Many in creation as
derivative of the One and Many in the Creator.” What did we say is fundamental to the Christian worldview over
against the pagan? What is the
difference between the Christian and the non-Christian? The Christian thinks in terms of two levels
of being, the Creator and the creature.
The pagan doesn’t have that, he thinks of being, everything just exists,
God exists, man exists, nature exists, the rocks exist, one level of being. The Christian can’t do that, we have to come
over and say there’s two levels of being.
So when we ask the question of the One and the Many, instead of doing it
like Aristotle and Plato, we say wait a minute, we’ve got to ask our One/Many
question in terms of the Creator and the creature, there’s a One and Many
here. Here’s where the Trinity starts
to show up.
This is fundamental; this is
what separates Biblical Christianity from all other religions. Do you remember when we were going through
different heresies? Go back to that chart
on page 37, when the Church was arguing about who the person of Jesus Christ
was, they ran into all these heresies.
Many times the heresies were majority viewpoints. It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit led the
Church through a series of fierce debates that the cause of these heresies was
finally swept out the door. On the
right column of that table I have underlined certain words. The words I have underlined in the right
column refers to the bedrock view of God that was wrong; behind the heresy
there stood a false, deceptive, wrong, erroneous view of the being of God. It was because of that wrong view of God
that these men could not handle the person of Christ. They just could not deal with Jesus Christ correctly, because in
their presuppositional level of their most basic level of thinking they were
screwed up and that led them to have falsified views of the person of
Jesus. That’s why the Church went and
threw them out.
Notice what we’ve
underlined: solitary monotheism, in terms of what we’ve been talking about the
last forty-five minutes what’s the error here, is this drifting toward the One
or to the Many? It’s drifting to the
One. Islam does this. Allah is God and
God alone, he doesn’t talk, there’s no communication. Who does Allah talk to
besides himself? Does he have soliloquies, forever and ever? Think of this in terms of before
creation. Allah is all alone. Can Allah have what we would call a social
relationship? Can Allah exercise the
attribute of love? Where’s the object
of Allah’s love before the Creation?
How can you get an attribute of love in a solitary God? Here’s how you can try to do it… try to do it: have him create something in
order to love. But, once you have to
have a god creating something external to himself in order to exercise this
principle, you’ve made God dependent on the external creation. So now God is no longer a self-contained
God, he is a God dependent on the universe, and the cosmos. This is why the Trinity is central to our
faith. If we abandon the Trinity we go
into something like Islam or Judaism, it’s as simple as that, and once we do
that, we compromise the attributes of God.
What we have done is show…,
and let’s let this flow out a little more, with the Creator/creature we have
God and looking at the Trinity because God is One, and God is Three, there’s
multiplicity in God. We want to look at this oneness and this threeness. We want to be careful about something. The
Church came in the Chalcedon Creed to say that Jesus Christ is undiminished
deity and true humanity united in one person.
We want to be careful when we say that the Trinity, God is one in
essence, He is righteous, He is just, etc. and He is three in personality.
That’s often the way we say it. I just
want you to urge you to be careful. A
Mormon can say the same thing. How are
you going to distinguish how a Mormon talks about the Trinity, and how an
orthodox Christian talks about the Trinity.
A Mormon interprets that to mean there are three persons, all of whom
are gods, plural. So you have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, each one
is God and you have three Gods. Wait a
minute, that’s not the Trinity. So
what’s missing?
How do we state the
Trinity? Here’s the dilemma, we’ve got
to state the Trinity so God is as much one as He is three. It’s like Jesus Christ is as much God as He
is man. That’s where the critic, the pagan, thinks there’s a contradiction, he
says something can’t be three and can’t be one. But the critic is down here inside the creation, he has something
called number one and he has something called number three. You can’t have something one and three,
clearly there’s a conflict there. What
is he doing? He’s saying there’s a
concept called oneness and there’s a concept called threeness, and those two
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…but in order to think
clearly you have to have 100% certainty and purity of your concepts. The pagan, including the Mormon, is out here
with his concept of oneness and his concept of threeness and what is he doing? He’s grabbing God and trying to put Him into
this concept of oneness and threeness and coming up short.
What did Paul say in Col.
2:8; not according to the elements of this world, not according to the basic
concepts, but according to Christ. So
what do you do to your basic concepts?
You have to have the concept of oneness and threeness derived from the
Trinity. In other words, our idea of
what oneness and threeness is comes derivatively out of the Trinity
itself. You can’t subject the Trinity
to a human concept of oneness and threeness.
The human idea of oneness and threeness is rooted, first in the very
character of God. What does this
mean? Well it means that God can speak
of Himself as I, personal pronoun, singular, I AM.
What did He say to Moses? He
didn’t say we are, He said I AM. God can
speak and self-refer to Himself with a first person plural. What does He do in Gen. 1:26, how does He
refer to Himself there? “Let us,” first
person plural. First person singular
pronoun; first person plural pronoun, and God refers to Himself that way,
alternately, one, three, one, three, one, three. You say wait a minute, I can’t grab this. That’s right. What does the Bible say: “My ways are not
your ways, neither are your thoughts My thoughts.” There’s an incomprehensibility about God.
But what we can say is that
in God the oneness and the threeness are of equal importance, and that’s the
key. In the Trinity it’s not one over
the three, it’s not three over the one.
Mormonism elevates the three over the one; they have three individual
gods running around so the three, the Many, has been exalted over the One. Islam elevates the One over the three and
they have an Allah that can’t love. In
the Trinity God is as equally three as He is one, we do not understand that
because our concepts are finite and they’re exhausted by trying to grapple with
this infinite dimension. So God is one
and God is three, and that’s the data that we’re getting from His
revelation. That’s what He speaks,
that’s what we’re hearing; we’re hearing a first person singular and we’re
hearing a first person plural pronoun.
One day He says “we,” the next day He says “I.”
The Trinity, then, is
something that is not at all common in any of the columns on page 37; it is
alien to every single one of those beliefs.
It is not contained in any way, in any shape, in any form by any of
those heresies. What does this do when
somebody in the classroom tells you the Trinity was imported from the Greeks…
oh yea, tell me the Greek that it came from.
The table on page 37 tells you all the stuff that was being imported
into the Church and it certainly wasn’t the Trinity. The Trinity arose, not because somebody stole it from some Greek
pagan somewhere, the Trinity arose, men were forced into this; it’s
uncomfortable because we have to confess we don’t know what we’re talking about
here ultimately. God is incomprehensible.
We are forced into the doctrine of the Trinity by the Scripture. It is the Scripture that drives us into this
position. It cuts us off every time we
want solitary monotheism. It cuts us
off every time we want a tri-theism. It
never fits; the verses keep colliding with each other. So we’re boxed in with the Scriptures, and
we have to confess the Trinity on this basis.
Having said all that, and we’re going to get into the details of the Scripture
next time, what we want to show is that this shouldn’t seem strange after all,
because what does the filing cabinet do, what does the accountant do, what do
we do in our normal sentences when we talk every day, and when we think. Aren’t we balancing the One and the Many and
operationally speaking, in spite of our theories, aren’t we operating every
single day of our lives as though the One and the Many are in perfect harmony.
We all know that that’s true. Every
accountant knows that’s true. Every secretary who files knows that’s true. And when we think about it, every time we
utter a sentence we know that’s true.
So we can sit here and fret all we want to about we’re into hard stuff
and I don’t understand it, but it’s equally hard to understand a normal
sentence, because we don’t think about thinking. We don’t think about our language. It’s just all of a sudden when the doctrine of the Trinity appears
all of a sudden we’ve got a problem.
The problem is we had the problem all the time; we had it every time we
spoke, every time we filed, every time we did this, every time we did that,
it’s just that we never thought about it in those terms.
If you want to argue the
Trinity as problematical, I can turn it right back to you and say explain the
last sentence you just said, tell me, what do you mean by a property? Dah!
What do you mean by a property?
The dog is a German shepherd?
What’s this property German shepherd, I never saw an ideal German
shepherd, where is one, show me one. You can’t show me one, but you’re always
talking about German shepherds. Yes, but I want to see one. Well this is an
individual example of the class. I
know, but I want to know what the class is.
Tell me empirically and scientifically what is this class. He can’t tell you. Logic isn’t determined empirically. Did you ever hear this story, well I can’t believe Jesus, I can’t
believe that religious stuff, you can’t touch it, taste it, measure it,
etc. Can you touch, taste and measure
logic? Do you have a law of logic, what
does it smell like? Did you ever see
one? What does it taste like? It’s not subject to empirical investigation. So here you are telling me all this stuff
that you don’t believe because there’s no empirical evidence and you’re tools
for which there’s no empirical evidence.
How silly.
The point we’re trying to
get at is this doctrine of the Trinity is strange, but it’s no stranger than
the One and the Many in our every day lives.
Later on I’ll show some examples of the One and the Many. I’ll just kind of give you a fore taste of
these, sometimes you hear people use an egg, but that really isn’t an
illustration of the Trinity; some theologian laid an egg when that one came
out. A better illustration of the
Trinity would be space. How many
dimensions does space have? Isn’t it
interesting that space is three dimensions.
Isn’t it interesting that time has three dimensions. You begin to see this one and threeness
throughout the creation. Why aren’t
there four dimensions? Or two? Isn’t it strange that you always wind up
with three? These are the kind of hints
that God has built into His creation that surrounds us all the time that He is
one and three.
Look in the notes for next
week, I show some of the verse references, and I urge you to look at these in
light of what we talked about tonight.
In particular, on the bottom of page 5, there are the references to the
problem, and it is a problem because notice the use of plural pronouns three
out of the four times that I’ve referenced occurs in the first book of the
Bible [Gen. 1:26; 3:22; 11:17; Isaiah 6:8]
Isn’t that interesting; why does that happen? On page 6 we deal with another evidence of the Trinity and that
is the mysterious angel of Jehovah.
This is a truly enigmatic figure out of the Bible. On the one case he is not Jehovah, yet on
the other case he is Jehovah, so how can the angel of Jehovah be Jehovah and be
distinct from Jehovah. Then we go on to
what is called the word of Yahweh, and that’s kind of a mind blowing experience
because many of you think of that as the written Scripture. But the prophets had this technical term
that was used in the Old Testament, “The word of the Lord came to me.” We often think that was just a thought, it
was a little more than that. So it’s
this “Word of the Lord” that comes.
Finally on page 7 I’m going
to take you to those passages, and you really want to look at those passages
and see whether I’m pulling your leg or not.
Look at those passages, they are Old Testament passages, centuries
before the Church, and yet they seem to talk about a Trinity, a plurality in
Jehovah God and there’s threeness there, long, long before Paul, John, Matthew,
Mark and Luke.
We’re going to work with the
Biblical text next week, but tonight I want to show as an introduction to the
Trinity, this is a strange doctrine, yes.
Can we comprehend it? No. Is it
logically contradictory? No it isn’t if
you operate in terms of the Creator/creature distinction. And if you want to say it’s logically
contradictory, then I will challenge your method of logic.
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Question asked: Clough
replies: The Church has basically
decided that that’s the [can’t understand word/s] three in persons one in
essence, and as long as you keep that in your mind you’ve kind of got to be
careful… I first became aware of the weakness of that formulation, believe it
or not, when I was working with some Mormons, because they sat there right
across the table and said we believe that too.
I knew enough about Mormon theology to know, no you don’t, not what I’m
thinking. But the problem is it’s this business, that you know that you don’t
believe that way, but somehow they’re able to twist those words around and make
three persons, all of whom are
gods, plural. If that’s so, then you’ve made a property
God’s essence and these are individuals, all of whom share that property. In which case what you’ve done is you’ve
made the property independent of God.
I think maybe the best way
of thinking about it is this, let’s think of another property. Forget the oneness and threeness for a
minute and think of any other attribute of God. Let’s think of His holiness.
Plato, in his book, raised this question; keep in mind Plato raised this
question without thinking in terms of the Biblical God. Here’s the question he raised, and see if
you can see where it goes. He said is
good good because it’s a standard to which the gods and men hold, or is good
good because the gods decree it to be so?
If you take the answer that good is an abstract property or quality that
God fits, what you have done is you have just made this abstract quality
independent of God and He happens to fit that template. That’s a pagan way of thinking, that’s
saying there’s a standard over and above God to which God holds. That’s not the Biblical view.
The Biblical view is that
holiness is what God is, it’s His character.
On the other hand, Plato’s question was is holiness merely what the gods
say it is, so God could change tomorrow?
It’d be arbitrary then. That’s
not what the Bible says either because God says I cannot lie, God is for sure
He’s always the same, His character doesn’t change. So it’s not true that the properties are something less than and
manipulatible by God. They reflect His
character so we have to be careful when we say there is an attribute of God,
holiness; what we must be careful of is to realize that when we say that there
is holiness, that what we’re saying is there is a property that we can observe
that comes from His character. It
doesn’t come from above God, it doesn’t come from outside of God, nor is God
free not to be holy tomorrow because that’s His character. His character is to remain forever to be
holy.
What we call properties,
like goodness, that derive from holiness, I’m using them synonymously, what we
say is light or goodness or holiness, the revolutionary thing in all this is to
think of it as totally derivative of God Himself. Holiness is our understanding of the character of God; it is not
something over and above God to which God holds to. There is not an abstract
thing, God is made up of this, He’s made up of this, He’s made up of that, and
all those properties are together and sort of like I can say that of my dog or
my cat, I can say that of my chair, the chair projects a squareness and I have
some sort of idea of squareness. A
chair isn’t communicating squareness to me; the chair fits this higher
standard. But when we get to deal over
and above, not at the creature level, but when we go up to the Creator level we
can’t do that. We have to say that
squareness is what God defines it to be, that’s the way He thinks, and we think
that way because He first thought that way.
That’s why the Reformers
defined the role of man to think God’s thoughts after Him. I think that’s a neat saying, it’s one of
those careful things you kind of have to think about. Notice what they said. We
are to think God’s thoughts after Him.
What does that mean? It says
first of all we think and God thinks, analogous. Why, because we’re made in His image. Why do we think? Not
because the biochemicals got to be soup some place and sort of evolved up and
we have this neuroelectrical activity in our brains and that’s thinking. We
think because that is an activity God designed into us so that we reflect Him
and so that when He chose to incarnate Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,
He wasn’t going into a rock, He wasn’t going into a plant, He wasn’t going into
an animal, He was going into a man. The
way we are designed is a finite replica of God Himself. So we think; God thinks.
But the Reformers were
careful; they said we are to think God’s thoughts after Him. What they
meant by after is derived and dependent upon Him. So when we talk about moral goodness, cleanness, holiness, we are
to think God’s thoughts after Him. That means He thinks holiness, He thinks
light, and our concept of whatever is good is derivative and a finite version
of His. His thinking is good not
because something is in back of Him to which He adheres, there’s not some
yardstick up there, it’s because He is,
that is His character. He’s not
anything else.
So having said that, you
could do that with all the attributes, God is holy, God is righteous, God is
loving. What is love? John says “God is love.” See, that’s a dangerous thought the way it’s
interpreted. You can have some person
out there believe in some eternal goo, and there’s this vague concept of love,
and God is that concept. No-no-no. God is there and love is a concept that
exists because it’s a reflection or projection of His character. It’s God’s nature to love, and that’s what
sets up the category of love, His character.
Now let’s come to the
threeness and the oneness. Why we have
trouble with that is because God’s character has this threeness to it, which
means He has a numerical quality. Think
about that. Allah does not have a
numerical quality so that number, distinction of numbers, is a relatively
superficial and trivial thing. I was
just reading that there’s a strong streak in Islam, I was not aware of, they
said wherever Islam has been allowed to take its own course without religious
government decreeing it, you will find that Islam gravitates to mysticism,
where everything gets kind of smeared together. I was unaware of that.
The reason for that is individual things don’t matter any more, it’s
like oriental religion, everything’s a one, just one big blob, there are no
individual distinctions. God says in
His character there are distinctions, there’s the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit and they’re eternally distinct.
So distinctions count, they’re not just one smeary blob, which is
oriental religion. Oriental religion
tends to oneness, and you want to see that played out in history? What was the religion in China before
communism took over. People were always
amazed, why did communism take over China so fast? Think of what was there before communism? It was Confucianism, it was just a
superficial ethic borne out of oriental thinking. They were already set up for
totalitarianism.
In God we have this
individuality, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the
Holy Spirit is not the Son, so there’s distinction. That means, since it’s
forever, it’s an eternal distinction, it means that threeness is as much of God
as His love is, it’s as much of God as His holiness, it’s as much of God as His
omniscience, it’s a much of God as His omnipotence and all the other
attributes. The threeness factor is
another attribute of God. Our problem
is how do we really state that because we see the Holy Spirit, we see the
Father, we see the Son, we see Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane talking to His
Father. That was the early problem the
Sabellians had because remember what Sabellianism held to, the fact that the
Father, Son and Holy Spirit were just masks that the one God put on. The
problem was, who was Jesus talking to then in the Garden? Was He saying Father and then He’d play this
role; Son and then He would play this role, was He doing that, sort of like a
play that’s short of characters, one character has to play two people. That would be Sabellianism. That’s not the Trinity.
In the Trinity there’s
genuine exposure. Jesus, in John 17
says something, He says to His Father in that prayer: Father, You loved Me
before the foundation of the world.
That tells you that they were in eternal communion before the first atom
of the universe existed. What that
tells us is that our God is self-dependent and self-contained, and doesn’t need
the universe. All other gods need the universe. Our God does not. He’s
totally independent.
So what we’re grappling with
in the Trinity, I guess what I’m trying to say here is that you’re grappling
with the same thing we’ve been grappling with with all the other attributes,
it’s just that now all of a sudden it just hits us because it’s so difficult,
so clear that we have to deal with this thing because now we’re talking about
Jesus Christ. One of the three of the
Godhead walks into history, talks to us, saves us, appears to be in the New
Testament what the angel of Jehovah was in the Old Testament, then that means
when we see the angel of Jehovah functioning in the Old Testament we’re really
seeing the Lord Jesus Christ in His preincarnate form doing His thing. Then we
have the fact, well, that’s interesting because in the New Testament Jesus is
very gracious; in the Old Testament He’s slaughtering armies. How do you put that one together? It is, in the book of Revelation, Jesus
Christ comes back and He fulfills the role that the angel of Jehovah did in the
Old Testament, except now he’s called the Lord Jesus Christ. So you see there’s a continuity, He’s always
the Father, always the Son, always the Holy Spirit.
Then we have to be careful
in our Christian thinking, why the Trinity is so important is we tend to
depersonalize the Holy Spirit. The Holy
Spirit is as much a person as the Father and the Son. What happens is because of the so-called subordination, or the
order of the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit
honors the Father by revealing the Son.
And He’s always kind of like, again thinking in terms of a drama, He’s
more like, if the Lord Jesus Christ is the actor on the stage and the Father is
the playwright, the Holy Spirit is the technician behind the scenes, working
the lights and all the rest of it, and you never see Him. Yet He’s responsible for pulling it all
off. The Holy Spirit is responsible for
Scripture, preserving the Scripture. But sometimes we have a tendency not to
honor Him as a separate person. All
this is just trying to create a balance at the very core of our theology, the
very core of our faith. That’s why in subsequent weeks we’re going to go into
stating the elements that you need to hold in balance on the Trinity. We’ll
deal with that.
But to get back to your
question about personality doesn’t work, I don’t know what else does, because
the language the Church has chosen has been traditionally God is three in
persons and one in essence, and I guess it’s okay, as long as you don’t run
into somebody that’s so totally pagan in their thinking that their
interpretation of that sentence is that you have three people who happen to
share the same attributes and there’s no personal unity among them. God is one, He can manifest Himself as one
being, and yet He can manifest Himself as three… I don’t know that works, but I
know that we certainly don’t believe in tri-theism.
Question asked: Clough
replies: It would be a good example if
you did it right, what you have to do in these examples is that whatever you do
with the Many, the parts of the egg in this case, the problem I see with the
egg illustration is that the yoke etc. are separate and distinct parts, they
satisfy that part of the equation. What they don’t satisfy is that the yoke
isn’t all the egg, the yellow isn’t all the egg, the white isn’t all the
egg. Whereas some of the illustrations
I’m going to mention, time and space and matter, actually were mentioned by Dr.
Nathan Wood who for many years taught at Gordon-Conwell in Boston, and what
Wood pointed out was, again it’s not a perfect illustration, but what he said
was that you can look, every point in space has three specifications, x, y,
and z, you can visualize,
reach every point with an x,
every point in space has an x dimension
to it, or has a y dimension, or
has a z dimension to it. So every point can be described in terms of x or y
or z. There’s no point in space that doesn’t have an x; there’s no point in space that doesn’t
have a y; no point in space that
doesn’t have a z. So that
geometrical illustration is better because it grabs more of what God is. All of God can be described as Jesus Christ,
the Son; all of God can be described as the Holy Spirit; all of God can be
described as the Father. Nothing is
left out, just like no point in space would be left out that way.
So that’s why in the few
illustrations we want to try for accuracy.
The egg is fine for a kid or something, but you’ve got to watch it,
because we want to beware that the Trinity is so much the focal point of
attack, Satan has attacked ever since the Church formulated it, because He
knows that the Trinity is the only thing that holds the whole Christian
theology together. You mess up here and
you set in motion denials of the cross, salvation, all kinds of manifestations
with this, because ultimately a poor inaccurate and erroneous view of the Trinity
demeans the person of Jesus Christ, because you want to keep it in
context.
What I’ve tried to do in the
series is always think of key events and link your doctrine to those events so
that in your mind if someday you’re thinking this through, you’ve got a Bible
lesson or you’re just trying to work something through spiritually in your own
life, you grab hold of a truth and you say to yourself, what’s the Biblical
imagery behind this truth. Well, what’s
the Biblical imagery behind the Trinity? Why do we even bother with the
Trinity? What are we discussing here,
we’re not discussing the Kings, we’re discussing Christ. So that should set off
alarm bells that if I tamper with the Trinity I’m tampering with Christ. Just like if I tamper with salvation,
judgment/salvation in the Old Testament, I’m messing up the Exodus, or if I
mess up the Exodus, I’m messing up my doctrine of judgment/ salvation. That’s why it’s all interrelated.
Question asked: Clough
replies: There’s a distinction between
the ontological Trinity and what is called the Economic Trinity. Here’s what we mean. We can describe God as He is in and of
Himself, try to, based on what we know of His revelation, what life was like
before the universe, what He was like, and there were certain things that were
true of Him before time, before the universe was created. Once the universe was created, He has a plan
for this universe and He interacts with it, revelationally. He has a plan, and what you asked is why
Jesus had to leave for the Holy Spirit to come. It’s not that Jesus is saying the Holy Spirit wasn’t here before,
because in His omnipresence the Holy Spirit has always been here.
Now we have to ask well,
what is it about the Holy Spirit that’s coming, certainly not His presence, His
presence was always here, He’s always omnipresent, He was present in the Old
Testament, present at creation, present at the fall. So what do we mean? The New Testament says that the Holy Spirit
coming, the coming of the Holy Spirit is connected with Christ in that the Holy
Spirit is working a work on planet earth that is absolutely new, that was not
true in the Old Testament, could not have happened in the Old Testament, and
was contingent upon Jesus Christ getting to the throne. What that work that the Holy Spirit does is
actually building the body of Christ, which is a new entity all together. It’s not Israel, it’s not the pagans, it’s a
new entity that He’s building.
So when Jesus says the Holy
Spirit, the Comforter will come, but He won’t come until I go to the Father,
He’s obviously sequencing it, and it has to do with the building of the Church,
and what is the Church but the body of Christ and what is the body of Christ
but Christ’s human righteousness is being regenerated and projected into the
Church, and the Holy Spirit does that.
And He didn’t do that before.
What that entails
practically is the whole thing, when we get into the Church Age, but what I
want to do in the person of Christ… that’s why you hear me say, when we get
into the life of Christ in the next chapter you’ll hear me say several times,
some of you have commented already when you’ve heard me say it the first couple
of times, is that you can look upon the human Jesus walking abound the earth as
a test pilot. I have to be careful,
this is kind of like the egg, you have to watch it because no illustration is
perfect. I don’t mean by that that
God’s plan of salvation and His sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit could have
erred, could have screwed up and Jesus had to test it out, that kind of
thing. What I meant is that Jesus
Christ was the pioneer. So the first
member of the human race ever to be filled with the Spirit in the sense that
the Church is, with this recapitulated nature of Christ… that happened with
Jesus, and it’s His walking abound obediently and trustingly that created in
history genuine righteousness out of the human race; that had never been seen
before. Adam could have, theoretically,
maybe, but here for the first time, the angels, Satan and everyone observed the
human masterpiece walking the face of the earth in perfection. And He proved thereby that the human race
could do it.
He even inherited a title,
which we’ll get into in another appendix, the Son of God and the Son of
Man. Those are technical terms, they
are not used as synonyms, and often times we want to present the flavor of
those terms. The Son of Man doesn’t
just refer to His humanity and the Son of God doesn’t just refer to His
deity. They have a lot more stuff in
there. One of the terms, the Son of Man
is actually the Son of Adam [he
pronounced it Ah dahm], the son of Adam, and it means that He justifies the
creation of the human race by doing it right.
And when He gets done doing it right He has created and generated what
righteousness looks like, the perfect example of human righteousness, never
before observed. And it’s that righteousness He carries to the Father’s throne,
and He dispenses through the Holy Spirit reproducing that righteousness when
we’re filled with the Spirit, as much as it can be in fallen beings.
But before in the Old
Testament, it’s not that Old Testament saints weren’t righteousness, but there
was no prior person that proved the point.
Jesus defeated Satan this way, and that’s another aspect, the victory of
Jesus over Satan. Until Jesus got to
the throne, think of the hierarchy, man was created lower than the angels,
Satan is an angel, therefore man is created lower than Satan on the totem pole
of authority and power. What happened
when Christ crashed through the heaven of heavens, He ascended to be at the
Father’s right hand? Now who’s at the
helm of the universe? For the first
time in history, a man, the son of Adam.
Now the helm of the universe
is clearly in Adam’s hands, and Satan has lost out, and the Church pictured
this as a fishhook, in the ancient church writings they loved the [can’t
understand word] of the fish, we’re always talking about the fish. Well, they also had another metaphor, the
hook, and they said see, God hooked Satan.
In this case Satan was the fish, and God hooked it, He had a plan and
Satan fell for it. Satan thought he was
going to stop God by murdering Jesus Christ.
The very act of murdering Jesus Christ was to set it up, that’s exactly
what God wanted him to do and that’s exactly what defeated him. And he’s hated that ever since, and he
chaffs and he’s resentful, this is why there’s a hatred against all Christians
because we are the only touchable part, He can’t touch Jesus, Jesus is at the
Father’s right hand.
Why does he go about as a
roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour?
Peter says “a roaring lion,” out for prey, he wants to kill, he wants to
maim, he wants to destroy because this is the only way to get back at what
happened. He knows what’s happened;
there’s been a momentous change in the whole cosmos because of the resurrection
and ascension of Jesus Christ. And he
knows that very well, he knows the implications of that, so that promotes a
fury and an anger that’s directed toward us. That’s why Peter wants us to be
carefully and recognize that these things have all caused this.
But the coming of the Holy
Spirit is like the coming of Jesus, there was a sequence and there was an
order. The Father it seems like is
emphasized much in the Old Testament, though Jesus and the Holy Spirit are there,
in the New Testament Gospels it’s the Son who is emphasized, and in the
epistles the Holy Spirit tends to be emphasized. So there’s that progression, and that’s the economic Trinity, the
economic Trinity being the individual roles that the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit play in this plan.
We’ll end; if you look at
some of those verses it’s pretty amazing.
I hope that your eyes will be opened to the plurality of God and the Old
Testament, and be prepared so that when people say oh, the Christians invented
the Trinity, just read a little bit in the Old Testament.